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Poster: matt Reynolds Date: Aug 25, 2005 5:13am
Forum: etree Subject: Live recordings of the past

Hey does anybody know why there aren't older bands of various genres' live recordings made avaliable on the internet?

I, for example, would love to get a show, preferably soundboard, of bands from the 70's 80's and 90's. I wonder if such things exist? And if so, who owns the rights.

I would think that some live recordings that are done have maybe diminished in quality and might be archived somewhere by a record label not in use. Like an Oingo Boingo show in the late 80's or something!? I like Danny Elfman!

It seems to me that bands like this could find a source of revenue in shows like this. Since there would be less interest in trading these shows i think, would this be a legitimate time to charge a small fee for downloading a show like this and would it go over well with the public? It seems to be a relatively untapped market.

Whatcha think?

Matt Reynolds

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Poster: swenny Date: Aug 25, 2005 5:28am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recordings of the past

I'd bet most of these bands actively discouraged taping, so you wouldn't have a pool of listenable sources for these shows. Maybe a decent stealth recording here and there...

Also, alot of bands just aren't/weren't live acts worth collecting. Especially in the 80's, the emphasis was on radio hits, MTV videos, and albums. Being good live just wasn't the priority. Even the Beatles weren't very good live!

Just my $.02
-kc

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Poster: matt Reynolds Date: Aug 25, 2005 5:35am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recordings of the past

yeah i aggree, but what if all these recordings do exist and are just archived somewhere? And what if there was a website that got a new use license and made all these avaliable? It would never go platinum but it seems many people might be curious and pay a small fee or see some nostalgic value.
Plus, i think a lot of obscure, once popular bands, probably could use the money.
MR

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Aug 26, 2005 11:17pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recordings of the past

Yes, a lot of shows were recorded by special arrangement that have not been put out for whatever reasons, with rare exceptions, during the mid '70s up to the' 80s at various venues, including at least 2 that I know of:
Bill Graham Presents videotaped in black and white a number of Winterland shows in the '70s, and one has to get approval to use any of that stuff...
a friend of mine was able to gain access and use several minutes ot 2 from the vault: for the Cipollina documentary, several clips from the Link Wray show and more with John Cipollina...

Jeff Pollack (sp?) of the Old Waldorf - on many nights I went there to see excellent artists perform such as Blondie (1977), U2, X, XTC, John Cale, John Cipolllina... a soundboard tape would be played over the P.A - the tapes sounded superb, recorded from concurrent shows by artists who played at the Old Waldorf (say the week before), such as Elvis Costello, Squeeze, so forth and so on.

My point being that there is still much stuff sitting in private collections of a very high quality or of definite interest...

Perhaaps someone can comment about the possibility of these treasures getting some kind of release before no one remembers the fox trot or waltz music jammed on those coconut shells with the rinky tink piano ensemble with tuba back-ups...

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Poster: matt Reynolds Date: Aug 27, 2005 5:03am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recordings of the past

I'm pretty well versed on the music industry but i'm not sure who owns th rights to that type of intellectual property. One would think its the labels, but if it was being played at the venue, maybe they have partial ownership. I think, depending on the artist(s)' fame, might they either reserve the right to derivitive works and just allow it to be used, or leave it up to their label/publisher.

Anyway, I've been trying to find more about Pollack online but its kinda hard. Is he the guy who produced Fresh Prince of Bel Air? Utimately, I'd like to contact him about that material and maybe run the idea of making music like this avaliable by him?

Any thoughts?

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Sep 2, 2005 5:49am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recordings of the past

KSAN -fm radio in San Francisco; apparently broadcast several shows from Old Waldorf, concurrently.
Try searching "Old Waldorf" on the dimeadozen.org site to see the set lists and possible sources...
F'rincetance, I found details about a personal favorite:
Blondie
09/21/77
Old Wardorf
San Francisco, CA
Opening act: The Nuns (both shows)
I showed up for the early one, and got to stay for the late show since it was half empty!
It was my first punk rock show, man it was wild.
I sat there smoking stanky homegrown that I grew on the back of my Sausalito houseboat ...Stanley Mouse named it 'spinach' because it was mostly leaf - by the time he tried a puff... oh well!
The Nuns were shouting out "Kill the Hippies!" and "You're smokin' heroin!"... I didn't get TOO comfortable, so what the hey!
A fight broke out in front of the stage between the only 2 guys standing near the stage - they were apparently die-hard Nuns fans, pogoing spasmodically during Blondie's set one of them grabbed Debbie Harry's scarf and tried to pull her off the stage while she was singing, so Clem got up and swatted the punks with his towel...

The story goes that later the same 2 cats got backstage and trashed Blondie's dressing room and The Nuns were cancelled from the next Blondie show (2 more sets) scheduled for the following night - the manager got someone else to replace the Nuns.
Outside the joint (tucked away on a 2nd level labyrinth in the unlikely financial district well after business hours) beer bottles were blasting on the sidewalk, just another nite in '77...

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Poster: matt Reynolds Date: Sep 3, 2005 3:18pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recordings of the past

aw memories.

So I tried to get a hold of Joel Selvin like u recommeded. First off, I read an interview of his on rockcritics.com. He resume was impressive and from the interview he seemed like he could've helped.
I wrote him a pretty extensive email detailing my ?s. Granted it was pretty long, I was pretty baked when I wrote it, but it was good.
He wrote back with a two setence response that answered one of my ?s I guess...not really. So he's either a really busy guy, or just an ass.
The reason I ask these ?'s is cuz there is no site that has live stuff like Blondie->more pop culture and if they exist, and I can license them, I have some possibely interested investors.

Much like what was done by Rhino Records.


Anyway, I'm not old enough to have gone to shows like Blondie back then. I'm only 23. But I have seen a decent amount of shows. Particularly Phish shows. 22 in all.
I'll tell u about a few of my experiences, if you'd like.

Matt Reynolds

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Sep 9, 2005 1:03pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recordings of the past, attn. Matt

Matt,

I found out a good friend of mine has reel to reels of 20 vintage late '70s Old Waldorf shows, some direct from the KSAN masters.

Let me know if you'd care to be reached via email.

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Poster: matt Reynolds Date: Oct 4, 2005 5:01am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recordings of the past, attn. Matt

Hey,
Sorry I haven't got back to u sooner. Thats really cool that you have access to stuff like that. I'd be really interested in that. My email address is matt_reynolds@mac.com. I still want to tell you about some of my crazy stories. But for another time. Hope all is well.

Matt Reynolds

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Sep 3, 2005 8:46pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recordings of the past (and how to go there)

Happy-sad memories of what may yet happen from all tomorrow's parties at the Fillmore 1966/1967:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/crow_fjord/460.html

well how do ya do, so it's no more Mr. Nice guy Selvin, the great journalist takes but 2 scribbles out of his remaining time to signify nada...

That Blondie show from the Old Waldorf, was apparently broadcast on KSAN -while there is still a station by that name, the original KSAN DJs reunite on certain Sundays on the college FM station KUSF 90.3.
We'll find out one way or another what the status is...
sure, spin some yarns about what's happening recently relatively speaking... by any means!


This post was modified by cream-puff-war on 2005-09-04 03:46:37

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Aug 27, 2005 6:22am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recordings of the past -revised

A few months ago a search for Old Waldorf online - info about shows, I managed to find one site that had lists of Old Waldorf shows and another U2 oriented site that that had tapes of U2's gig there - (and they weren't selling or copying, and it wasn't the artist(s) I was particularly interested in tho I did email and re'd replies, that's about all I turned up, several hours browsing...


I have the link to the lists saved on another pc, which I about to set up (during renovations it was all unplugged, no sweat, I also need to get it back online asap for lots of other files saved on that hard drive.

I'll reply back here in a day or so with more data
Those SB tapes (circa 1976-1982) at the gigs were incredible... no exaggeration!
Also I'll see if I saved the email response I got in regards to the Old Waldorf U2 shows, from around Sept. 1981 -

I would imagine it's well worth finding someone who is close to Jeff -

I would recommend talking to one of the main music journalists, such as JOEL SELVIN who wrote reviews the San Francisco Chronicle thruout the '80s/'90s - I imagine he might be someone who'd know what's up with Pollock.



This post was modified by cream-puff-war on 2005-08-27 13:22:06

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Poster: JodyC Date: Aug 26, 2005 12:39am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recordings of the past

Take a look at dimeadozen.org While I do not know if that is has the integrity this site has, there sure is some interesting older music available on it.

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Poster: Captain Video Date: Aug 27, 2005 2:58pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recordings of the past

DaD is a tightly-run community with lots to offer...it does require the use of bit-torrents, but is well worth it. They tend to stay in the grey areas of live taping, but always respect artist/management wishes regarding posting of shows. The moderators do a great job and it is a solid community.....highly recommended...Kev

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Aug 27, 2005 11:20pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recordings of the past

[DIME aka DaD] always respect artist/management wishes regarding posting of shows

To clarify, they obey direct No's written to them after a band rep hears about it from somewhere. Otherwise they take it pretty much as "silence is consent" on live recordings. That's what makes it gray-area at times and different from bt.etree.org or here.

Users have to do their own homework if they want to obtain only trade-friendly material from there- it's a big mixture.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-08-28 06:20:42

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Poster: Captain Video Date: Aug 28, 2005 12:08am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Live recordings of the past

Thanks Diana, that is what I was trying to say :) Kev